A few more beginner questions - Guild Wars Forums

Quiet Terror · Jul 17, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Hey everyone, I've been playing for a few days now. I took everyones suggestions from my last thread and I started to do PvP as a ranger. I learned that doing Zaishen, lots of rangers were trappers. So I spent most of my faction on a few trappers spells, and looked over some other peoples that they linked. Unfortunately I found out that a few of the skills that they were using you can't purchase with faction. Trapper's Speed was one of them actually. Also, for some reason, after I reached 6,000 faction doing this, I wasn't getting anymore faction. Is that because it's a cap? If it is, is there anything else that I can do to earn faction, and if there is what should i be working towards now? I've gotten a decent trapper build together that I liked but I'm not sure if that's going to work in other parts of the pvp game too. Should I be working towards armor now, or better runes? Or is there a bigger picture that I'm missing, haha. Thank you!

Sife · Jul 17, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

For certain skills that you cannot purchase with faction-that may be because you don't own the game that that particular skill comes from.

And yes, there is a cap on the faction you can get in one 24-hour period.

To get more faction, you can do Random arena, alliance battle, or pretty much any other form of PvP. I suggest doing RA or AB, and bringing a simple but effective build. You shouldn't try trapping in ra or ab. Good luck, and have fun with the rest of the game

*Darcy* · Jul 17, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Here is a link to the wiki page on Balthazar Faction http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Balthazar_Faction
It covers how much you can earn in each type of PvP.

If you have a build that is working then start concentrating on improving your armor and weapons. Staying alive longer is also important.

Also check the guru Gladiator's Arena section on RA, so that you can see what ranger builds are working there.

Have fun.

TheodenKing · Jul 17, 2009, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Random Arena is an easy place to get your feet wet with pvp, while earning balthazar faction at the same time.

Regarding the zaishen challenges, don't worry too much about unattainable skills. Just fill your bar with useful traps, Frozen Soil, etc, and maybe troll ungent. Someone on your team will likely have whatever you lack. For the zaishen challenge, the builds don't need to be perfect to succeed.

Eragon Zarroc · Jul 17, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58

z-elite isn't technically true pvp because u are fighting against npc's. that is why faction is capped at 6k there. this prevents balth faction farming abuse. in normal pvp, trappers are barely used because real people tend to be smart enough to avoid stepping on a place where some ranger has piled a ton of traps. real people are also intelligent enough to interupt trappers constantly. i suggest u work on gaining pvp experience in RA(random arena) if certain skills are unavailable, u must buy the campaign/expansion that contains that skill. or maybe ur looking at wrong attribute, it can happen

. good luck to u

Kendil · Jul 17, 2009, 04:35 PM // 16:35

I suggest you continue with zelite every day and then unlock skills and, when you have a decent build unlocked, focus on unlocking runes, like rune of superior vigor (whatever the name...) that gives you +50health, and then + attribute runes and some insignias that you like.

If you want to fucus around PvP I suggest, as everyone else, that you do a lot of RA to gain experience and factions. But, I think it is a bit faster to gain it in AB, and there you also get luxon/kurzick factions. But you probably need a different build for AB than for RA.

Bob Slydell · Jul 17, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Random Arena is an easy place to get your feet wet with pvp, while earning balthazar faction at the same time.

This. But don't forget... make sure you don't accidently interrupt the no-life syn..err.... i mean precious sacred syncers or they will report you for spamming, verbal abuse, or a naughty name.

Quiet Terror · Jul 18, 2009, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Thanks for the replies everyone! My question still goes back to why I can't purchase a few skill with faction. I do, at least I believe, own all of the expansions for GW.

GW Prophecies
GW Factions
GW Nightfall
GW Eye of the North

I have all of these under manage keys, but there's been a few 'trapper' skills that I can't purchase with faction. One of them being 'Trappers Speed'. Thanks again for the great advice, I'll be doing random arenas and other things to 'get my feet wet'

Thanks!

moriz · Jul 18, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

does the skill not show up in your list? look carefully, it should be there. also, keep in mind that elite skills are 3000 faction each, instead of 1000.

with that said, i would suggest not playing a trapper for now. trappers are very good in some situations, but more general pvp, they are a niche role.

Kendil · Jul 18, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

If you have all 4 campaigns on the same account, which you said, there shouldn't be a problem. You should be able to purchase from a priest of balthazar.

It could be that you already have it, and therefore can't buy it again, or that you look in the wrong attribute.
Trapper's speed is in the expertise line, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Trapper%27s_Speed

Good luck with your continued playing, and hopfully, you'll be able to get your skills

If not, I suggest you contact support.

refer · Jul 18, 2009, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

This. But don't forget... make sure you don't accidently interrupt the no-life syn..err.... i mean precious sacred syncers or they will report you for spamming, verbal abuse, or a naughty name.

I wouldn't start with RA. It's so small, random, just frustrating.

Shaydow · Jul 18, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

This. But don't forget... make sure you don't accidently interrupt the no-life syn..err.... i mean precious sacred syncers or they will report you for spamming, verbal abuse, or a naughty name.

Dont you mean make sure not to interrupt legit players with spamming, verbal abuse, or a naughty name? If you havnt done any of those things, then you dont need to worry about WHAT you do in RA. Dont talk to anyone except to say GG while getting your feet wet in PvP and getting a pvp title up to join a good pvp guild that uses vent, and your gtg and will have alot more fun.

Bashing syncers for saying they will report you for crap is stupid. I dont like them either, but they cant report you for that crap, if you havnt done it ( Thank You Captain Logic! ).

Jul 17, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59	#1
Quiet Terror Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2009 Profession: R/	A few more beginner questions Hey everyone, I've been playing for a few days now. I took everyones suggestions from my last thread and I started to do PvP as a ranger. I learned that doing Zaishen, lots of rangers were trappers. So I spent most of my faction on a few trappers spells, and looked over some other peoples that they linked. Unfortunately I found out that a few of the skills that they were using you can't purchase with faction. Trapper's Speed was one of them actually. Also, for some reason, after I reached 6,000 faction doing this, I wasn't getting anymore faction. Is that because it's a cap? If it is, is there anything else that I can do to earn faction, and if there is what should i be working towards now? I've gotten a decent trapper build together that I liked but I'm not sure if that's going to work in other parts of the pvp game too. Should I be working towards armor now, or better runes? Or is there a bigger picture that I'm missing, haha. Thank you!

Jul 17, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#3
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	Here is a link to the wiki page on Balthazar Faction http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Balthazar_Faction It covers how much you can earn in each type of PvP. If you have a build that is working then start concentrating on improving your armor and weapons. Staying alive longer is also important. Also check the guru Gladiator's Arena section on RA, so that you can see what ranger builds are working there. Have fun. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Jul 17, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08	#2
Sife Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009	For certain skills that you cannot purchase with faction-that may be because you don't own the game that that particular skill comes from. And yes, there is a cap on the faction you can get in one 24-hour period. To get more faction, you can do Random arena, alliance battle, or pretty much any other form of PvP. I suggest doing RA or AB, and bringing a simple but effective build. You shouldn't try trapping in ra or ab. Good luck, and have fun with the rest of the game

Jul 17, 2009, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#4
TheodenKing Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: DoA Guild: Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk) Profession: N/Me	Random Arena is an easy place to get your feet wet with pvp, while earning balthazar faction at the same time. Regarding the zaishen challenges, don't worry too much about unattainable skills. Just fill your bar with useful traps, Frozen Soil, etc, and maybe troll ungent. Someone on your team will likely have whatever you lack. For the zaishen challenge, the builds don't need to be perfect to succeed.

Jul 17, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58	#5
Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madness Incarnate Guild: [Duo] Profession: W/P	z-elite isn't technically true pvp because u are fighting against npc's. that is why faction is capped at 6k there. this prevents balth faction farming abuse. in normal pvp, trappers are barely used because real people tend to be smart enough to avoid stepping on a place where some ranger has piled a ton of traps. real people are also intelligent enough to interupt trappers constantly. i suggest u work on gaining pvp experience in RA(random arena) if certain skills are unavailable, u must buy the campaign/expansion that contains that skill. or maybe ur looking at wrong attribute, it can happen . good luck to u

Jul 17, 2009, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#6
Kendil Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden	I suggest you continue with zelite every day and then unlock skills and, when you have a decent build unlocked, focus on unlocking runes, like rune of superior vigor (whatever the name...) that gives you +50health, and then + attribute runes and some insignias that you like. If you want to fucus around PvP I suggest, as everyone else, that you do a lot of RA to gain experience and factions. But, I think it is a bit faster to gain it in AB, and there you also get luxon/kurzick factions. But you probably need a different build for AB than for RA.

Jul 18, 2009, 02:46 AM // 02:46	#8
Quiet Terror Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2009 Profession: R/	Thanks for the replies everyone! My question still goes back to why I can't purchase a few skill with faction. I do, at least I believe, own all of the expansions for GW. GW Prophecies GW Factions GW Nightfall GW Eye of the North I have all of these under manage keys, but there's been a few 'trapper' skills that I can't purchase with faction. One of them being 'Trappers Speed'. Thanks again for the great advice, I'll be doing random arenas and other things to 'get my feet wet' Thanks!

Jul 18, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#9
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	does the skill not show up in your list? look carefully, it should be there. also, keep in mind that elite skills are 3000 faction each, instead of 1000. with that said, i would suggest not playing a trapper for now. trappers are very good in some situations, but more general pvp, they are a niche role.

Jul 18, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47	#10
Kendil Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden	If you have all 4 campaigns on the same account, which you said, there shouldn't be a problem. You should be able to purchase from a priest of balthazar. It could be that you already have it, and therefore can't buy it again, or that you look in the wrong attribute. Trapper's speed is in the expertise line, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Trapper%27s_Speed Good luck with your continued playing, and hopfully, you'll be able to get your skills If not, I suggest you contact support.